Double T vs RIGGA; RIGGA WINS! via 3-0 KO!

[NOBLE]

I enjoyed reading both verses, but I think the exact topic was either poorly understood or simply ambiguous.

[NOBLE]

I enjoyed reading both verses, but I think the exact topic was either poorly understood or simply ambiguous.

[Double Ŧ]

I would like to make one thing CLEAR
My beef is not with Rigga
My beef is not with the outcome of Verity's vote (although i believe it to be bias i will never have proof)
My beef is with the result of ONE CATEGORY

TOPIC

As stated in the previous thread that set this battle in motion.
(Which i would link but it seems to have been misplaced conveniently)
The topic decided and agreed upon. was MORTAL KOMBAT
Now Verity posted it as Mortal Combat
I should have made it clear then, but i didnt think i was misunderstood, because anyone who reads the words MORTAL COMBAT instantly thinks of the game.
If this WAS misunderstood the battle should be scrapped.
However i dont see how it could have been with
1. My original post
2. My verse which was posted first showed the topic i meant
3. Rigga's statement "Outside the box"
I agree with a "Outside the box" approach in topicals.
This is why i actually rhymed outside the box myself, which more than likely wasn't even taken into consideration.
Again i reiterate, i am only arguing about the result of ONE category.

So ill break it down for yas.

on mics youll find im FAH-STAH, i AM WHAT I AM
like im facin kaTANA, when i STAND BEFORE FANS
its HAND AFTAH HAND, always on a HIGH PUNCH
twelve hit combos leaven bodies in the SPIKES STUCK
then i LIGHT UP nades that STRYKA THROWS
a toasty up-start, then im FIGHTING SMOKE
-scorpion- when i -torture him- BEHIND THE ROPES
-screamin- like -Sheeva- on the HIGHEST NOTE
not the KIND TO CHOKE, im not TALKING OF MICS KID
call me lu kang, cause im WALKING WITH FLY KICKS
im not a striker, or the SORT TO JUST FIGHT PIGS,
im ORDERING NICE RIBS when they CAUGHT WITH A NIGHT STICK

All of the above, every line is about Mortal Kombat from the standard perspective, Using various styles and techniques of rhyming.
Standard double rhyme schemes (my favorite)
Basic Multi (half a line without rhymes for simplicity)
Wordplay: Upstart (a term for sum1 who has risen steadly to wealth or high position)
Inner rhymes (AKA minor schmes AKA rhymes within rhymes)
Large Multis (aka String Rhymes)
Flow Transitions : Continuing the rhyme scheme for one beat longer than necessary to create a smoother transition into the next line.

im OFTEN LOOSING GAMES, its not a PROBLEM TO ME AYE
i can HONESTLY JUST SAY ive got a POCKETFUL OF CHANGE! (lol)
but BEFORE THA HEADS BLEED during a RUMBLE FOR A LIFE
ull see aMORTAL TECHNIQUE as they STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE!
im not STOPPIN TRUE EVIL, but my EYES ARE OBSESSED
when im WATCHIN TWO PEOPLE as they FIGHT TO THE DEATH

All of the above rhymes are taken from a "Outside the box" approach, as i am not directly referring to the game, however still remaining on topic, with not as many different styles.
Double Rhymes (My favorite)
Large multis (AKA String rhymes)
Nameplay: aMortal Technique (Immortal Technique)
Dead Transitions : Using a completely different rhyme to set up the next bar, thus creating a more "emphasized" annunciation of the start of each bar.

with a RIGHT AND A LEFT, wicked "STRIKES TO A HEAD"
a -nice "match"- like -syrax- ull "FIND BITS OF RED"
then he FIRES FROM THE CHEST, a MISSLE MADE FOR WAR
then this KID'L CHANGE HIS FORM Striker's PISTOL AIMIN FORTH

All of the above, is back to the more standard way of taking the topic Mortal Kombat. With some of the previous styles used.
Wordplay : "Strikes to a head" "Find Bits of Red" "Match"
Small and Large Multis
Inner Rhymes
Flow Transitions
Granted i did end this entire thing 2 lines short of a perfect flow. (According to cadence)

My apologies that i made a mistake, Syrax is yellow, not red. my bad. I got him and Sector confused. Is that why you voted me off topic?

NUFF SAID

---------- Post added at 01:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:11 PM ----------

-Side note, I have pm'd various mods about this,including RULE, because i am not taking this one lying down, I spent hours composing that verse, and i am planning on making a track about Mortal Kombat as a result. I have pm'd various respected members also, to give a wide range of perspectives on the matter.

[Double Ŧ]

I would like to make one thing CLEAR
My beef is not with Rigga
My beef is not with the outcome of Verity's vote (although i believe it to be bias i will never have proof)
My beef is with the result of ONE CATEGORY

TOPIC

As stated in the previous thread that set this battle in motion.
(Which i would link but it seems to have been misplaced conveniently)
The topic decided and agreed upon. was MORTAL KOMBAT
Now Verity posted it as Mortal Combat
I should have made it clear then, but i didnt think i was misunderstood, because anyone who reads the words MORTAL COMBAT instantly thinks of the game.
If this WAS misunderstood the battle should be scrapped.
However i dont see how it could have been with
1. My original post
2. My verse which was posted first showed the topic i meant
3. Rigga's statement "Outside the box"
I agree with a "Outside the box" approach in topicals.
This is why i actually rhymed outside the box myself, which more than likely wasn't even taken into consideration.
Again i reiterate, i am only arguing about the result of ONE category.

So ill break it down for yas.

on mics youll find im FAH-STAH, i AM WHAT I AM
like im facin kaTANA, when i STAND BEFORE FANS
its HAND AFTAH HAND, always on a HIGH PUNCH
twelve hit combos leaven bodies in the SPIKES STUCK
then i LIGHT UP nades that STRYKA THROWS
a toasty up-start, then im FIGHTING SMOKE
-scorpion- when i -torture him- BEHIND THE ROPES
-screamin- like -Sheeva- on the HIGHEST NOTE
not the KIND TO CHOKE, im not TALKING OF MICS KID
call me lu kang, cause im WALKING WITH FLY KICKS
im not a striker, or the SORT TO JUST FIGHT PIGS,
im ORDERING NICE RIBS when they CAUGHT WITH A NIGHT STICK

All of the above, every line is about Mortal Kombat from the standard perspective, Using various styles and techniques of rhyming.
Standard double rhyme schemes (my favorite)
Basic Multi (half a line without rhymes for simplicity)
Wordplay: Upstart (a term for sum1 who has risen steadly to wealth or high position)
Inner rhymes (AKA minor schmes AKA rhymes within rhymes)
Large Multis (aka String Rhymes)
Flow Transitions : Continuing the rhyme scheme for one beat longer than necessary to create a smoother transition into the next line.

im OFTEN LOOSING GAMES, its not a PROBLEM TO ME AYE
i can HONESTLY JUST SAY ive got a POCKETFUL OF CHANGE! (lol)
but BEFORE THA HEADS BLEED during a RUMBLE FOR A LIFE
ull see aMORTAL TECHNIQUE as they STRUGGLE TO SURVIVE!
im not STOPPIN TRUE EVIL, but my EYES ARE OBSESSED
when im WATCHIN TWO PEOPLE as they FIGHT TO THE DEATH

All of the above rhymes are taken from a "Outside the box" approach, as i am not directly referring to the game, however still remaining on topic, with not as many different styles.
Double Rhymes (My favorite)
Large multis (AKA String rhymes)
Nameplay: aMortal Technique (Immortal Technique)
Dead Transitions : Using a completely different rhyme to set up the next bar, thus creating a more "emphasized" annunciation of the start of each bar.

with a RIGHT AND A LEFT, wicked "STRIKES TO A HEAD"
a -nice "match"- like -syrax- ull "FIND BITS OF RED"
then he FIRES FROM THE CHEST, a MISSLE MADE FOR WAR
then this KID'L CHANGE HIS FORM Striker's PISTOL AIMIN FORTH

All of the above, is back to the more standard way of taking the topic Mortal Kombat. With some of the previous styles used.
Wordplay : "Strikes to a head" "Find Bits of Red" "Match"
Small and Large Multis
Inner Rhymes
Flow Transitions
Granted i did end this entire thing 2 lines short of a perfect flow. (According to cadence)

My apologies that i made a mistake, Syrax is yellow, not red. my bad. I got him and Sector confused. Is that why you voted me off topic?

NUFF SAID

---------- Post added at 01:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:11 PM ----------

-Side note, I have pm'd various mods about this,including RULE, because i am not taking this one lying down, I spent hours composing that verse, and i am planning on making a track about Mortal Kombat as a result. I have pm'd various respected members also, to give a wide range of perspectives on the matter.

[RiGGA]

To be honest, I used the spelling error to monopolize because I gave an entirely new perspective on the topic...Actual mortals entering combat. Their emotion, how they feel whether physically or mentally, etc. I seriously thought I'd have this in the bag for flipping the entire shit based on a LEGAL technicality (the misspelling).

If need be, I'll rewrite it and make sure it pertains to MK.

And yes, I've been playing Mortal Kombat since MK II. To stay on the completely obvious topic would have been child's play.

[RiGGA]

To be honest, I used the spelling error to monopolize because I gave an entirely new perspective on the topic...Actual mortals entering combat. Their emotion, how they feel whether physically or mentally, etc. I seriously thought I'd have this in the bag for flipping the entire shit based on a LEGAL technicality (the misspelling).

If need be, I'll rewrite it and make sure it pertains to MK.

And yes, I've been playing Mortal Kombat since MK II. To stay on the completely obvious topic would have been child's play.

[Double Ŧ]

Agreed about the childs play remark, however this is why i rhymed out of the box aswell, to show a varied perspective. If you did or did not notice. Im still not letting this lie down. Because Verity voted after i brought up the fact that it was off topic. Something should be done about this. The Topic vote was a complete and OBVIOUS bias. (Im assuming it was because i said you were off topic) Or Intentional misinterpretation by Verity, After i posted wtf u know i meant the video game right, and you said yes, she still gave you the catagory. I feel that is unjust and unfair.

---------- Post added at 02:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:25 PM ----------

From a FVC and a MOD?? come on now....

---------- Post added at 02:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:26 PM ----------

Just because im unkown doesnt mean i DONT KNOW

---------- Post added at 02:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:27 PM ----------

However i would rather this topic be scrapped, and we can do a different topical battle. But i still think Verity needs to either explain herself, or defend herself, before that happens.

---------- Post added at 02:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:32 PM ----------

LOL and you know what? Your rhyme wasn't even on topic if it was Mortal Combat, other than a generic verse about fighting as M3gatron pointed out. Where is anything about Mortal? what.. the fact they are human? Combat.. sure.. fighting.. but its actually fucking easier to do what you did than i did mate. I spent hours on this damn thing because i wanted to impress. I didnt care about the W, i wanted to impress the fact i can stay on the topic that is chosen. Test me with any fucking topic, i will produce the same calibur of tech. (With varied perception or "Outside the box thinking" JUST LIKE I DID IN THIS ONE") Infact, you didnt think outside the box, you jsut created a new box. and made it about boxing/UFC, you didnt vary from the perspective at all.

---------- Post added at 02:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:38 PM ----------

You know what.. fuck it.. I WON.. plain and simple. More advanced multis. More relevant lines word play while staying on topic.. i mean wtf is this shit.. Supposed to be about poetry?

how many of u rappers have done this shit (and no it aint capped read and hear the rhymes with my accent)
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2814967427832

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:49 PM ----------

I feel like ive lost points just because of how i capped my rhymes.. i think that is unfair, should i re-write it space it out and not cap them? it was supposed to sound aggressive (like punches) its about people fighting to the death ffs

[Double Ŧ]

Agreed about the childs play remark, however this is why i rhymed out of the box aswell, to show a varied perspective. If you did or did not notice. Im still not letting this lie down. Because Verity voted after i brought up the fact that it was off topic. Something should be done about this. The Topic vote was a complete and OBVIOUS bias. (Im assuming it was because i said you were off topic) Or Intentional misinterpretation by Verity, After i posted wtf u know i meant the video game right, and you said yes, she still gave you the catagory. I feel that is unjust and unfair.

---------- Post added at 02:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:25 PM ----------

From a FVC and a MOD?? come on now....

---------- Post added at 02:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:26 PM ----------

Just because im unkown doesnt mean i DONT KNOW

---------- Post added at 02:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:27 PM ----------

However i would rather this topic be scrapped, and we can do a different topical battle. But i still think Verity needs to either explain herself, or defend herself, before that happens.

---------- Post added at 02:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:32 PM ----------

LOL and you know what? Your rhyme wasn't even on topic if it was Mortal Combat, other than a generic verse about fighting as M3gatron pointed out. Where is anything about Mortal? what.. the fact they are human? Combat.. sure.. fighting.. but its actually fucking easier to do what you did than i did mate. I spent hours on this damn thing because i wanted to impress. I didnt care about the W, i wanted to impress the fact i can stay on the topic that is chosen. Test me with any fucking topic, i will produce the same calibur of tech. (With varied perception or "Outside the box thinking" JUST LIKE I DID IN THIS ONE") Infact, you didnt think outside the box, you jsut created a new box. and made it about boxing/UFC, you didnt vary from the perspective at all.

---------- Post added at 02:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:38 PM ----------

You know what.. fuck it.. I WON.. plain and simple. More advanced multis. More relevant lines word play while staying on topic.. i mean wtf is this shit.. Supposed to be about poetry?

how many of u rappers have done this shit (and no it aint capped read and hear the rhymes with my accent)
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2814967427832

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:49 PM ----------

I feel like ive lost points just because of how i capped my rhymes.. i think that is unfair, should i re-write it space it out and not cap them? it was supposed to sound aggressive (like punches) its about people fighting to the death ffs

[Catharsis]

First of all...the topic was "Mortal Combat". Combat...between mortals. So saying it had to be about the game Mortal Kombat is silly.... that being said...here's my vote.

Rhyming Scheme/Flow: Close IMO but DOUBLE.... both stayed fairly simple though.
Vocabulary: Tie... neither really used any crazy vocab to edge it.
Topic/Meaning: DOUBLE ... took his angle and used it more completely.
Storytelling/Progression: RIGG... seemed a little light, but definitely could see where you went with it. More lines always help.
Emotion: RIGG... Again, more lines would have helped but you took the more emotional route.
Imagery: Honestly a Tie... both were totally different. With DBLT's shit I could see myself playing the game. With Riggs I was more into the picture of a boxer/fighter he was painting.
Poetic Techniques: RIGG... both seemed slightly more battle oriented. Which might seem like the way to go, but it takes away from the topic, strangely even when the topic is combat.
Ending: Tie... neither really wrapped it up in a way I didn't see coming.

Close one.... but overall RIGGA took it.

Double T... I feel where your drop was coming from, Mortal Kombat references were on point. But look at the voting rubric next time and try to incorporate more of those aspects into your verse. Put it this way, if you had used a broader vocabulary base... and had a more creative ending...you would have easily got my vote. More would have been better too...

Rigga... I feel like you pretty much got it down, but like V was saying...try to think a little more outside the box with the approach to the topic.

[Catharsis]

First of all...the topic was "Mortal Combat". Combat...between mortals. So saying it had to be about the game Mortal Kombat is silly.... that being said...here's my vote.

Rhyming Scheme/Flow: Close IMO but DOUBLE.... both stayed fairly simple though.
Vocabulary: Tie... neither really used any crazy vocab to edge it.
Topic/Meaning: DOUBLE ... took his angle and used it more completely.
Storytelling/Progression: RIGG... seemed a little light, but definitely could see where you went with it. More lines always help.
Emotion: RIGG... Again, more lines would have helped but you took the more emotional route.
Imagery: Honestly a Tie... both were totally different. With DBLT's shit I could see myself playing the game. With Riggs I was more into the picture of a boxer/fighter he was painting.
Poetic Techniques: RIGG... both seemed slightly more battle oriented. Which might seem like the way to go, but it takes away from the topic, strangely even when the topic is combat.
Ending: Tie... neither really wrapped it up in a way I didn't see coming.

Close one.... but overall RIGGA took it.

Double T... I feel where your drop was coming from, Mortal Kombat references were on point. But look at the voting rubric next time and try to incorporate more of those aspects into your verse. Put it this way, if you had used a broader vocabulary base... and had a more creative ending...you would have easily got my vote. More would have been better too...

Rigga... I feel like you pretty much got it down, but like V was saying...try to think a little more outside the box with the approach to the topic.

[Double Ŧ]

@Catharsis I appreciate the honest vote, ive always respected you, However consider these two points. 1. It was stated as Mortal KOMBAT in the inital thread setting up this battle. 2. Rigga has admitted intentionally changing his style based on Verity's spelling error. And i stated this AFTER Rigga posted his verse, It should never have gotten to the point of voting. It should have been scrapped then and there. But i agree with every vote you made on every category. Now isnt that odd considering you voted me a loss? Hmm.. "Maybe Double isnt a sore looser"

[Double Ŧ]

@Catharsis I appreciate the honest vote, ive always respected you, However consider these two points. 1. It was stated as Mortal KOMBAT in the inital thread setting up this battle. 2. Rigga has admitted intentionally changing his style based on Verity's spelling error. And i stated this AFTER Rigga posted his verse, It should never have gotten to the point of voting. It should have been scrapped then and there. But i agree with every vote you made on every category. Now isnt that odd considering you voted me a loss? Hmm.. "Maybe Double isnt a sore looser"

[ozark]

Yooo, in all fairness, i just got crucified on a topical that i didnt write about the exact people in the pic! Not by verity of course but crucified none the less-

Wat we have here, and i cant go too far into detail cause at the end of the day RIGGA is in my crew and i got my crew members all day! Is a miss understanding as to topicals in general. Which both showed creativity- i believe riga went too far outsidethe box, and double was too far into a battle scene which isnt a total bust cuz the topic was MORTAL KOMBAT-

Now i think he should have taken a different approach to this, but dont take away from the fact that this is both mcs first topicals- i think it should be scrapped and they go with a PICTURE TOPICAL- and script their verse to please the rubix- then all confusion shall be cast away in a sea of content!

P.s

*ShowOff

[ozark]

Yooo, in all fairness, i just got crucified on a topical that i didnt write about the exact people in the pic! Not by verity of course but crucified none the less-

Wat we have here, and i cant go too far into detail cause at the end of the day RIGGA is in my crew and i got my crew members all day! Is a miss understanding as to topicals in general. Which both showed creativity- i believe riga went too far outsidethe box, and double was too far into a battle scene which isnt a total bust cuz the topic was MORTAL KOMBAT-

Now i think he should have taken a different approach to this, but dont take away from the fact that this is both mcs first topicals- i think it should be scrapped and they go with a PICTURE TOPICAL- and script their verse to please the rubix- then all confusion shall be cast away in a sea of content!

P.s

*ShowOff

[Double Ŧ]

^ co fucking sign

[Double Ŧ]

^ co fucking sign

[Catharsis]

Originally Posted by Double Ŧ

@Catharsis I appreciate the honest vote, ive always respected you, However consider these two points. 1. It was stated as Mortal KOMBAT in the inital thread setting up this battle. 2. Rigga has admitted intentionally changing his style based on Verity's spelling error. And i stated this AFTER Rigga posted his verse, It should never have gotten to the point of voting. It should have been scrapped then and there. But i agree with every vote you made on every category. Now isnt that odd considering you voted me a loss? Hmm.. "Maybe Double isnt a sore looser"

I never saw the original thread or title...but I believe you.

Either way, with a few more aspects worked into your verse I don't think it would have mattered. Next time, which I hope there will be.... take this one to heart and go out of your way to kill it in every category. That's how I'd look at it yo'.

be easy.







#Poets

[Catharsis]

Originally Posted by Double Ŧ

@Catharsis I appreciate the honest vote, ive always respected you, However consider these two points. 1. It was stated as Mortal KOMBAT in the inital thread setting up this battle. 2. Rigga has admitted intentionally changing his style based on Verity's spelling error. And i stated this AFTER Rigga posted his verse, It should never have gotten to the point of voting. It should have been scrapped then and there. But i agree with every vote you made on every category. Now isnt that odd considering you voted me a loss? Hmm.. "Maybe Double isnt a sore looser"

I never saw the original thread or title...but I believe you.

Either way, with a few more aspects worked into your verse I don't think it would have mattered. Next time, which I hope there will be.... take this one to heart and go out of your way to kill it in every category. That's how I'd look at it yo'.

be easy.







#Poets

[M3GATRON]

Intricate makes a very valid point.

[M3GATRON]

Intricate makes a very valid point.