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  #161  
Unread 12-29-2019, 06:30 PM
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I like the idea of the new points structure. I just can't understand why people would get points for losing battles. It's supposed to be the greatest of champions.

It would be like if you tallied up the greatest nfl champions. The Minnesota Vikings wouldn't get put on the list for losing in 4 superbowls. Only teams with a championship would and the teams with a finals appearances would be irrelevant.


What have Rican and Wigsplit won?
The runners-up points are to combat the ease of racking up LBT points.

Im open to removing them if people want.

& Only people who have a title of some sort are on the list. If people (Rican & Wig) for example have slipped through i'll take em off when i spot them.
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Unread 12-29-2019, 06:30 PM   #161
 
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I like the idea of the new points structure. I just can't understand why people would get points for losing battles. It's supposed to be the greatest of champions.

It would be like if you tallied up the greatest nfl champions. The Minnesota Vikings wouldn't get put on the list for losing in 4 superbowls. Only teams with a championship would and the teams with a finals appearances would be irrelevant.


What have Rican and Wigsplit won?
The runners-up points are to combat the ease of racking up LBT points.

Im open to removing them if people want.

& Only people who have a title of some sort are on the list. If people (Rican & Wig) for example have slipped through i'll take em off when i spot them.
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Unread 12-29-2019, 08:17 PM
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The ranking system in a vacuum is a good system, it's just using that system under the name "greatest of: CHAMPIONS" throws it off a bit. If it was just like a "greatest" list it would make more sense. That's all that i really think is going on here.
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The ranking system in a vacuum is a good system, it's just using that system under the name "greatest of: CHAMPIONS" throws it off a bit. If it was just like a "greatest" list it would make more sense. That's all that i really think is going on here.
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If LBA King is below Secondary Champion then @RULE 's title should be adjusted, like @Seul 's
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@Rieper is now #1 with 94 total points (Not counting an obvious HOF Induction)


Congrats Lock!
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@Rieper is now #1 with 94 total points (Not counting an obvious HOF Induction)


Congrats Lock!
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@Rieper is now #1 with 94 total points (Not counting an obvious HOF Induction)


Congrats Lock!
Thanks, Stuey! Finally got to the top of the mountain!
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@Rieper is now #1 with 94 total points (Not counting an obvious HOF Induction)


Congrats Lock!
Thanks, Stuey! Finally got to the top of the mountain!
 
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@Rieper actually remains in second place by my count. Noir/Bleu was in both GC finals, which if we're still counting those points puts him on 96. Rieper has narrowed the gap to 2, but Bleu remains the most successful for the time being.

That being said I can't remember whether Rieper's pending HOF induction was counted when making this so that might put him in the lead, idk.
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@Rieper actually remains in second place by my count. Noir/Bleu was in both GC finals, which if we're still counting those points puts him on 96. Rieper has narrowed the gap to 2, but Bleu remains the most successful for the time being.

That being said I can't remember whether Rieper's pending HOF induction was counted when making this so that might put him in the lead, idk.
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@Rieper actually remains in second place by my count. Noir/Bleu was in both GC finals, which if we're still counting those points puts him on 96. Rieper has narrowed the gap to 2, but Bleu remains the most successful for the time being.

That being said I can't remember whether Rieper's pending HOF induction was counted when making this so that might put him in the lead, idk.
With his HOF induction he's at #1 now with 104 points
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@Rieper actually remains in second place by my count. Noir/Bleu was in both GC finals, which if we're still counting those points puts him on 96. Rieper has narrowed the gap to 2, but Bleu remains the most successful for the time being.

That being said I can't remember whether Rieper's pending HOF induction was counted when making this so that might put him in the lead, idk.
With his HOF induction he's at #1 now with 104 points
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Should I have 19 points now?

---------- Post added at 10:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 PM ----------

Also Sixx shot and reefer have the same rank
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Should I have 19 points now?

---------- Post added at 10:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 PM ----------

Also Sixx shot and reefer have the same rank
 
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I should be on this list... Second place in tag team tourney, teamed with SWAVY and was against Askari & STEELO. Topical Winner and also third in two other Tourneys.

Edit: i make it 12 points...?
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I should be on this list... Second place in tag team tourney, teamed with SWAVY and was against Askari & STEELO. Topical Winner and also third in two other Tourneys.

Edit: i make it 12 points...?
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Mine should be at 27 points now
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