White privilege in Rap???

[NOBLE]

Do you think some rap artists benefit from white privilege, or is that a ridiculous notion? If so, what does white privilege in Rap (or in the music industry at large) look like? Is there a black privilege?
Discuss.

[NOBLE]

Do you think some rap artists benefit from white privilege, or is that a ridiculous notion? If so, what does white privilege in Rap (or in the music industry at large) look like? Is there a black privilege?
Discuss.

[Babylon]

You literally cannot speak on something like this in terms of a majority rule, because it's too dynamic in 2017. Sure. A white emcee has probably made it big or signed a really good deal with a significant portion of the reasoning being his skin color, but to act like that's bad or that black emcees haven't/aren't doing this very thing is incredibly short sighted & naive.

So yeah, legitimately every human is either privileged or at a disadvantage in any given situation due to their surface level attributes, be it how strong you are when a car is laying on top of you or if you're a white guy standing in front of an executive who REALLY likes white guys.

Beyond that, though. The idea that a black-centric artform that retains the self-awareness of their own previous majority oppression holds a trap card that if you're pasty then you've got these bolstered attributes is as hilarious as it is ridiculous to me.

[Babylon]

You literally cannot speak on something like this in terms of a majority rule, because it's too dynamic in 2017. Sure. A white emcee has probably made it big or signed a really good deal with a significant portion of the reasoning being his skin color, but to act like that's bad or that black emcees haven't/aren't doing this very thing is incredibly short sighted & naive.

So yeah, legitimately every human is either privileged or at a disadvantage in any given situation due to their surface level attributes, be it how strong you are when a car is laying on top of you or if you're a white guy standing in front of an executive who REALLY likes white guys.

Beyond that, though. The idea that a black-centric artform that retains the self-awareness of their own previous majority oppression holds a trap card that if you're pasty then you've got these bolstered attributes is as hilarious as it is ridiculous to me.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by babylon

You literally cannot speak on something like this in terms of a majority rule, because it's too dynamic in 2017. Sure. A white emcee has probably made it big or signed a really good deal with a significant portion of the reasoning being his skin color, but to act like that's bad or that black emcees haven't/aren't doing this very thing is incredibly short sighted & naive.

So yeah, legitimately every human is either privileged or at a disadvantage in any given situation due to their surface level attributes, be it how strong you are when a car is laying on top of you or if you're a white guy standing in front of an executive who REALLY likes white guys.

Beyond that, though. The idea that a black-centric artform that retains the self-awareness of their own previous majority oppression holds a trap card that if you're pasty then you've got these bolstered attributes is as hilarious as it is ridiculous to me.

I agree with you that every human being is privileged in one situation or another, although I would separate a natural privilege such as the strength to extricate one's self from under a car--from privilege derived from artificial and social constructs such as race. What do you mean by "black-centric?" I think I have an idea but don't want to assume anything. However "black-centric" the art form may be, I'm not so sure the notion that the industry could exhibit white privilege is so ridiculous. Consider this: the vast majority of consumers of Rap music are white. Go to any major Rap concert and look at the crowd. The majority of people who have been buying Rap albums, taking the art form to the level of popularity and viability...are white. This is before even considering who owns most of the major A&R's. If that is the case, is it so far-fetched that there could be consumer demand which favors what the majority of Rap fans identify with? How do you explain Iggy Azalia winning "Best Rap Artist" a couple years ago?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by babylon

You literally cannot speak on something like this in terms of a majority rule, because it's too dynamic in 2017. Sure. A white emcee has probably made it big or signed a really good deal with a significant portion of the reasoning being his skin color, but to act like that's bad or that black emcees haven't/aren't doing this very thing is incredibly short sighted & naive.

So yeah, legitimately every human is either privileged or at a disadvantage in any given situation due to their surface level attributes, be it how strong you are when a car is laying on top of you or if you're a white guy standing in front of an executive who REALLY likes white guys.

Beyond that, though. The idea that a black-centric artform that retains the self-awareness of their own previous majority oppression holds a trap card that if you're pasty then you've got these bolstered attributes is as hilarious as it is ridiculous to me.

I agree with you that every human being is privileged in one situation or another, although I would separate a natural privilege such as the strength to extricate one's self from under a car--from privilege derived from artificial and social constructs such as race. What do you mean by "black-centric?" I think I have an idea but don't want to assume anything. However "black-centric" the art form may be, I'm not so sure the notion that the industry could exhibit white privilege is so ridiculous. Consider this: the vast majority of consumers of Rap music are white. Go to any major Rap concert and look at the crowd. The majority of people who have been buying Rap albums, taking the art form to the level of popularity and viability...are white. This is before even considering who owns most of the major A&R's. If that is the case, is it so far-fetched that there could be consumer demand which favors what the majority of Rap fans identify with? How do you explain Iggy Azalia winning "Best Rap Artist" a couple years ago?

[Way Lyve]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

I agree with you that every human being is privileged in one situation or another, although I would separate a natural privilege such as the strength to extricate one's self from under a car--from privilege derived from artificial and social constructs such as race. What do you mean by "black-centric?" I think I have an idea but don't want to assume anything. However "black-centric" the art form may be, I'm not so sure the notion that the industry could exhibit white privilege is so ridiculous. Consider this: the vast majority of consumers of Rap music are white. Go to any major Rap concert and look at the crowd. The majority of people who have been buying Rap albums, taking the art form to the level of popularity and viability...are white. This is before even considering who owns most of the major A&R's. If that is the case, is it so far-fetched that there could be consumer demand which favors what the majority of Rap fans identify with? How do you explain Iggy Azalia winning "Best Rap Artist" a couple years ago?

Can I ask the opposing question.. With most the fans and people paying for hiphop albums being white and co's as well, why would the majority of well known rappers be black if the ones with the money were choosing rappers based solely off their shared race? And, if the fans dictate who becomes successful should they also dictate who receives awards? I hear tons of stuff about Kendrick, Jay Cole, Nas, and mostly black artist being the proflic and greatest rappers. With the exception of Em. I think if Iggy's music wasn't catchy, produced well, and if she didn't have a big ass she wouldn't of got an award. But it's pop and the pop audience is usually superficial.

[Way Lyve]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

I agree with you that every human being is privileged in one situation or another, although I would separate a natural privilege such as the strength to extricate one's self from under a car--from privilege derived from artificial and social constructs such as race. What do you mean by "black-centric?" I think I have an idea but don't want to assume anything. However "black-centric" the art form may be, I'm not so sure the notion that the industry could exhibit white privilege is so ridiculous. Consider this: the vast majority of consumers of Rap music are white. Go to any major Rap concert and look at the crowd. The majority of people who have been buying Rap albums, taking the art form to the level of popularity and viability...are white. This is before even considering who owns most of the major A&R's. If that is the case, is it so far-fetched that there could be consumer demand which favors what the majority of Rap fans identify with? How do you explain Iggy Azalia winning "Best Rap Artist" a couple years ago?

Can I ask the opposing question.. With most the fans and people paying for hiphop albums being white and co's as well, why would the majority of well known rappers be black if the ones with the money were choosing rappers based solely off their shared race? And, if the fans dictate who becomes successful should they also dictate who receives awards? I hear tons of stuff about Kendrick, Jay Cole, Nas, and mostly black artist being the proflic and greatest rappers. With the exception of Em. I think if Iggy's music wasn't catchy, produced well, and if she didn't have a big ass she wouldn't of got an award. But it's pop and the pop audience is usually superficial.

White privilege doesnt exist in any context and ive already destroyed every rebuttal noble's victim ass had on the topic.

White privilege doesnt exist in any context and ive already destroyed every rebuttal noble's victim ass had on the topic.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Shae Schnerch

White privilege doesnt exist in any context and ive already destroyed every rebuttal noble's victim ass had on the topic.

:bs:
You don't have the mental capacity to "destroy" any argument I seriously choose to undertake...unless I'm speaking hypothetically or just playing devil's advocate like I've done in my response to babylon in this thread. You remember a lot of things, but you are also a chronic liar and revisionist. Why don't you post a link to where you "destroyed" me trying to argue white privilege and let people judge for themselves?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Shae Schnerch

White privilege doesnt exist in any context and ive already destroyed every rebuttal noble's victim ass had on the topic.

:bs:
You don't have the mental capacity to "destroy" any argument I seriously choose to undertake...unless I'm speaking hypothetically or just playing devil's advocate like I've done in my response to babylon in this thread. You remember a lot of things, but you are also a chronic liar and revisionist. Why don't you post a link to where you "destroyed" me trying to argue white privilege and let people judge for themselves?

Idk, I think it might be the opposite. For example, Say Slim jesus was black, I doubt he'd get clowned or recieve as much hate as he did, especially standing there flaunting straps with a group of black people.it'd prolly just be known as another dope song up there with Hot N**ga. The come.up is for sure getting easier white folks though...just like in football when it was all white..now look at who the majority of the players are.

Idk, I think it might be the opposite. For example, Say Slim jesus was black, I doubt he'd get clowned or recieve as much hate as he did, especially standing there flaunting straps with a group of black people.it'd prolly just be known as another dope song up there with Hot N**ga. The come.up is for sure getting easier white folks though...just like in football when it was all white..now look at who the majority of the players are.

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

:bs:
You don't have the mental capacity to "destroy" any argument I seriously choose to undertake...unless I'm speaking hypothetically or just playing devil's advocate like I've done in my response to babylon in this thread. You remember a lot of things, but you are also a chronic liar and revisionist. Why don't you post a link to where you "destroyed" me trying to argue white privilege and let people judge for themselves?

Then we can have the debate here.

Post all your reasons why white privilege exists, and I will then counter them and shoot every one of them down.

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

:bs:
You don't have the mental capacity to "destroy" any argument I seriously choose to undertake...unless I'm speaking hypothetically or just playing devil's advocate like I've done in my response to babylon in this thread. You remember a lot of things, but you are also a chronic liar and revisionist. Why don't you post a link to where you "destroyed" me trying to argue white privilege and let people judge for themselves?

Then we can have the debate here.

Post all your reasons why white privilege exists, and I will then counter them and shoot every one of them down.

[Student]

In Pop yes but not in rap.

[Student]

In Pop yes but not in rap.

[NOBLE]

I wasn't trying to argue that there is white privilege nor that there isn't. If I was, the OP would have been stated differently. It was rather an invitation to explore the subject and see what people think. You've stated you don't believe there is such a thing as white privilege. Do you mind stating your reasoning, or only if I'm willing to debate and argue for white privilege's existence?

[NOBLE]

I wasn't trying to argue that there is white privilege nor that there isn't. If I was, the OP would have been stated differently. It was rather an invitation to explore the subject and see what people think. You've stated you don't believe there is such a thing as white privilege. Do you mind stating your reasoning, or only if I'm willing to debate and argue for white privilege's existence?