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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:37 AM
MacDaddySmith
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305 Won / 50 Lost
Default 1 Bar! Nameplay! Tourny Round 2!

1 BAR NAMEPLAY TOURNY


RULES


1. Any Dickriding, Asking For votes, Hate Voting, Or cheating in any way will get you an AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

2. LEFT SENDS TO RIGHT

3. Must Send and answer in time limit or AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

4. Battle must be number Of lines that i say or AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

5. Any Questions about the tourny can be asked in this forum or PM'ed to me directly

6. Send ME the link to the battle directly(PM) Or post it in this forum so i know it is there...

7. Show me that you sent the battle in a PM to me so i know you actually sent if the other person does not answer

8. ANY reversals or play on of the other emcees verse will result in an AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION..EVERYTHING PRE-WRITTEN!

9. WINNER Gets Any Prize They Want!!

10. If Your a member of the TOURNAMENT you MUST Vote on ALL Open Battles...

11. If You CHANGE your current ACCOUNT NAME Then Please Effin Tell Me!

BATTLE RULES!!!
1. ONLY ONE BAR
2. SENT JUS LIKE A NORMAL BATTLE!
3. HAS TO BE A NAMEPLAY PUNCH!!

Current Champ--- Dmullz

~RANDOM DRAW~

1 BAR!!

WIN LOSE



Sta VS. Saucy
Vintage13 VS. JWall
young bizzy VS. SweetChinMusic
O_G Vs. Dmullz
Rhetorik Vs. skilldogg
Huey J VS. Illy
Oddgod VS. ProFite
SickerVerses VS. MUTE
Mutilate Vs. BeNRiCh
Prime-tastic VS. A Tha Terrorist
Exalteds Son VS. Magma-flows
Ohs VS. CauSTik SoDa
~PunCheZ~ VS. FiNALWoRD
---Sean Cron--- Vs. ILLUSIONISTT
AbominalFlowMan Vs. Call Me Sir


~~~~READY FOR VOTES~~~~


HonestE VS. Ricky Gunn


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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:37 AM   #1
 
MacDaddySmith
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Default 1 Bar! Nameplay! Tourny Round 2!

1 BAR NAMEPLAY TOURNY


RULES


1. Any Dickriding, Asking For votes, Hate Voting, Or cheating in any way will get you an AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

2. LEFT SENDS TO RIGHT

3. Must Send and answer in time limit or AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

4. Battle must be number Of lines that i say or AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION

5. Any Questions about the tourny can be asked in this forum or PM'ed to me directly

6. Send ME the link to the battle directly(PM) Or post it in this forum so i know it is there...

7. Show me that you sent the battle in a PM to me so i know you actually sent if the other person does not answer

8. ANY reversals or play on of the other emcees verse will result in an AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION..EVERYTHING PRE-WRITTEN!

9. WINNER Gets Any Prize They Want!!

10. If Your a member of the TOURNAMENT you MUST Vote on ALL Open Battles...

11. If You CHANGE your current ACCOUNT NAME Then Please Effin Tell Me!

BATTLE RULES!!!
1. ONLY ONE BAR
2. SENT JUS LIKE A NORMAL BATTLE!
3. HAS TO BE A NAMEPLAY PUNCH!!

Current Champ--- Dmullz

~RANDOM DRAW~

1 BAR!!

WIN LOSE



Sta VS. Saucy
Vintage13 VS. JWall
young bizzy VS. SweetChinMusic
O_G Vs. Dmullz
Rhetorik Vs. skilldogg
Huey J VS. Illy
Oddgod VS. ProFite
SickerVerses VS. MUTE
Mutilate Vs. BeNRiCh
Prime-tastic VS. A Tha Terrorist
Exalteds Son VS. Magma-flows
Ohs VS. CauSTik SoDa
~PunCheZ~ VS. FiNALWoRD
---Sean Cron--- Vs. ILLUSIONISTT
AbominalFlowMan Vs. Call Me Sir


~~~~READY FOR VOTES~~~~


HonestE VS. Ricky Gunn


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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:41 AM
METH_BARZ
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36 Won / 15 Lost
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werd? finally lolol
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:41 AM   #2
 
METH_BARZ
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werd? finally lolol
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:44 AM
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401 Won / 72 Lost
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dammit, sending again....
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dammit, sending again....
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:45 AM
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71 Won / 30 Lost
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Haha BenBitch.. good shit Illy
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:45 AM   #4
 
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:45 AM
METH_BARZ
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idk who I'm even battling lol never heard of dude
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:45 AM   #5
 
METH_BARZ
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idk who I'm even battling lol never heard of dude
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:51 AM
MacDaddySmith
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305 Won / 50 Lost
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:51 AM   #6
 
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:55 AM
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40 Won / 6 Lost
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woooooooo round 2!
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woooooooo round 2!
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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:56 AM
Infinite Dialect
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12 Won / 13 Lost
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87 Won / 65 Lost
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Good Shit... Rnd2 Begins
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12 Won / 13 Lost
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87 Won / 65 Lost
 
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Good Shit... Rnd2 Begins
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Unread 01-20-2010, 03:13 AM
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71 Won / 30 Lost
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Mutilate
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71 Won / 30 Lost
 
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Round Deuce:
Mutilate vs BenBitch
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Unread 01-20-2010, 04:16 AM
Sean Cron
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Posts: 87
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15 Won / 18 Lost
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263 Won / 123 Lost
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15 Won / 18 Lost
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263 Won / 123 Lost
 
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