I think longevity is also something to consider as well as how dominant they were in their era. I hate to say it, but someone dominating in an era when there were hundreds of active members...carries more weight than someone dominating or winning a GC when there are only like 28 active members. I say I hate to say it because it's not their fault that the site is so dead and it also doesn't mean they wouldn't have also dominated when the site was super active, but nevertheless the greats from years past still carry more weight in my eyes than the newer greats for that reason.
Here’s my counter-point to this (hear me out):
Jason, Real Talk, and those guys from yester year battled in a time period where there were 200+ active members but about 10-15 of them were what you’d consider good at a given time. The greats from this era are battling in 15-20 people fields where 3-5 are good, and more often than not it’s the same people over and over. If anything, I’d give MORE credit to the Bleus, Rows, Shodans, Edgeworths, and Seuls of the site who dominated and won multiple titles in a shallower yet stronger talent pool where they had to battle the same people over and over and maintain that level of dominance to win over a Real Talk or a Jason who battled in a more watered-down era in terms of competition. It is much tougher to NOT LOSE to against someone you battle 6-7 times (see: Me vs Rai) than it is to not lose to someone you’ve only battled 2-3 times.
I think longevity is also something to consider as well as how dominant they were in their era. I hate to say it, but someone dominating in an era when there were hundreds of active members...carries more weight than someone dominating or winning a GC when there are only like 28 active members. I say I hate to say it because it's not their fault that the site is so dead and it also doesn't mean they wouldn't have also dominated when the site was super active, but nevertheless the greats from years past still carry more weight in my eyes than the newer greats for that reason.
Here’s my counter-point to this (hear me out):
Jason, Real Talk, and those guys from yester year battled in a time period where there were 200+ active members but about 10-15 of them were what you’d consider good at a given time. The greats from this era are battling in 15-20 people fields where 3-5 are good, and more often than not it’s the same people over and over. If anything, I’d give MORE credit to the Bleus, Rows, Shodans, Edgeworths, and Seuls of the site who dominated and won multiple titles in a shallower yet stronger talent pool where they had to battle the same people over and over and maintain that level of dominance to win over a Real Talk or a Jason who battled in a more watered-down era in terms of competition. It is much tougher to NOT LOSE to against someone you battle 6-7 times (see: Me vs Rai) than it is to not lose to someone you’ve only battled 2-3 times.
Jason, Real Talk, and those guys from yester year battled in a time period where there were 200+ active members but about 10-15 of them were what you’d consider good at a given time. The greats from this era are battling in 15-20 people fields where 3-5 are good, and more often than not it’s the same people over and over. If anything, I’d give MORE credit to the Bleus, Rows, Shodans, Edgeworths, and Seuls of the site who dominated and won multiple titles in a shallower yet stronger talent pool where they had to battle the same people over and over and maintain that level of dominance to win over a Real Talk or a Jason who battled in a more watered-down era in terms of competition. It is much tougher to NOT LOSE to against someone you battle 6-7 times (see: Me vs Rai) than it is to not lose to someone you’ve only battled 2-3 times.
I see your point, but I don't necessarily agree. Let's use an NBA analogy. Bill Russell won 11 championships, which is more NBA titles than MJ, Kobe, or whoever else is in the GOAT debate....but he also played at a time when there were only 10 NBA teams as opposed to now when there's 30. Less competition actually made it easier to keep beating the same guys over and over again. If someone wins 11 championships in TODAY'S NBA, that would hold a little more weight in my eyes. You can argue that we have a stronger talent pool in today's NBA or on today's Letsbeef, but newer guys benefit from what older guys have done well as well as mistakes older guys have made...in a way that older guys couldn't have benefitted from newer guys. You get what I'm saying? Doing a crossover is routine now, and whoever is doing crossovers today benefits from having watched Iverson do it, but when Iverson did it, it was original and he didn't have the same benefit of someone else showing him how to do it. It's the same thing with punchlines, syntax and structure...etc. We'd have to curve the argument that guys are better battlers today and we have a generally stronger talent pool today...with the fact that ...a lot of the techniques we use today...Real Talk, Illimit, Daddio, Unkown Artist and those guys did it first and we benefit from them in a way they couldn't have benefitted from us.
Jason, Real Talk, and those guys from yester year battled in a time period where there were 200+ active members but about 10-15 of them were what you’d consider good at a given time. The greats from this era are battling in 15-20 people fields where 3-5 are good, and more often than not it’s the same people over and over. If anything, I’d give MORE credit to the Bleus, Rows, Shodans, Edgeworths, and Seuls of the site who dominated and won multiple titles in a shallower yet stronger talent pool where they had to battle the same people over and over and maintain that level of dominance to win over a Real Talk or a Jason who battled in a more watered-down era in terms of competition. It is much tougher to NOT LOSE to against someone you battle 6-7 times (see: Me vs Rai) than it is to not lose to someone you’ve only battled 2-3 times.
I see your point, but I don't necessarily agree. Let's use an NBA analogy. Bill Russell won 11 championships, which is more NBA titles than MJ, Kobe, or whoever else is in the GOAT debate....but he also played at a time when there were only 10 NBA teams as opposed to now when there's 30. Less competition actually made it easier to keep beating the same guys over and over again. If someone wins 11 championships in TODAY'S NBA, that would hold a little more weight in my eyes. You can argue that we have a stronger talent pool in today's NBA or on today's Letsbeef, but newer guys benefit from what older guys have done well as well as mistakes older guys have made...in a way that older guys couldn't have benefitted from newer guys. You get what I'm saying? Doing a crossover is routine now, and whoever is doing crossovers today benefits from having watched Iverson do it, but when Iverson did it, it was original and he didn't have the same benefit of someone else showing him how to do it. It's the same thing with punchlines, syntax and structure...etc. We'd have to curve the argument that guys are better battlers today and we have a generally stronger talent pool today...with the fact that ...a lot of the techniques we use today...Real Talk, Illimit, Daddio, Unkown Artist and those guys did it first and we benefit from them in a way they couldn't have benefitted from us.
No hate to the text heads...but if you can't take it to the next level and spit your shit, you can't be a goat imo. Ain't no ghostwriters out there with goat lables or shoutouts in general.
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I think longevity is also something to consider as well as how dominant they were in their era. I hate to say it, but someone dominating in an era when there were hundreds of active members...carries more weight than someone dominating or winning a GC when there are only like 28 active members. I say I hate to say it because it's not their fault that the site is so dead and it also doesn't mean they wouldn't have also dominated when the site was super active, but nevertheless the greats from years past still carry more weight in my eyes than the newer greats for that reason.
No hate to the text heads...but if you can't take it to the next level and spit your shit, you can't be a goat imo. Ain't no ghostwriters out there with goat lables or shoutouts in general.
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I think longevity is also something to consider as well as how dominant they were in their era. I hate to say it, but someone dominating in an era when there were hundreds of active members...carries more weight than someone dominating or winning a GC when there are only like 28 active members. I say I hate to say it because it's not their fault that the site is so dead and it also doesn't mean they wouldn't have also dominated when the site was super active, but nevertheless the greats from years past still carry more weight in my eyes than the newer greats for that reason.
There are maybe 10 people tops with a real shout at this accolade.
The answer is probably Lockhart.
There are plently of variables to debate endlessly. The only negatives againt him are: Not competing during the sites peak of activity and the account deletions that stop us from truley being able to review his body of work.
There are maybe 10 people tops with a real shout at this accolade.
The answer is probably Lockhart.
There are plently of variables to debate endlessly. The only negatives againt him are: Not competing during the sites peak of activity and the account deletions that stop us from truley being able to review his body of work.
I'd say DaDDiO. But I don't know much about the history of the site and I'm biased in that I'm almost exclusively a text battler. I do think DaDDiO is the greatest text battler of all time.
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I'd say DaDDiO. But I don't know much about the history of the site and I'm biased in that I'm almost exclusively a text battler. I do think DaDDiO is the greatest text battler of all time.
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If @RULE says ur the GOAT ur mission in life is fulfilled. @Lockhart may as well hang it up and accept the blessing that was bestowed. . . NOT! Never quit lol cuz u never know who the next up and coming emcee may be
If @RULE says ur the GOAT ur mission in life is fulfilled. @Lockhart may as well hang it up and accept the blessing that was bestowed. . . NOT! Never quit lol cuz u never know who the next up and coming emcee may be
To me the GOAT can't be a text battler so I'm disqualifying a lot of ya'lls picks
Real Talk didnt have the strongest pen I've seen, but he was dominant in both text & audio no matter who was active at the time so I'd lean towards him. A handful of today's top battlers could beat RT cuz he was too relient on using multis to set up his punches..that takes up a lot of time in audio when he coulda been doin wordplay, scheming, punching nonstop etc instead, but if we're goin by their body of work while they were active & the competition they faced...Real Talk
To me the GOAT can't be a text battler so I'm disqualifying a lot of ya'lls picks
Real Talk didnt have the strongest pen I've seen, but he was dominant in both text & audio no matter who was active at the time so I'd lean towards him. A handful of today's top battlers could beat RT cuz he was too relient on using multis to set up his punches..that takes up a lot of time in audio when he coulda been doin wordplay, scheming, punching nonstop etc instead, but if we're goin by their body of work while they were active & the competition they faced...Real Talk
To me the GOAT can't be a text battler so I'm disqualifying a lot of ya'lls picks
Real Talk didnt have the strongest pen I've seen, but he was dominant in both text & audio no matter who was active at the time so I'd lean towards him. A handful of today's top battlers could beat RT cuz he was too relient on using multis to set up his punches..that takes up a lot of time in audio when he coulda been doin wordplay, scheming, punching nonstop etc instead, but if we're goin by their body of work while they were active & the competition they faced...Real Talk
To me the GOAT can't be a text battler so I'm disqualifying a lot of ya'lls picks
Real Talk didnt have the strongest pen I've seen, but he was dominant in both text & audio no matter who was active at the time so I'd lean towards him. A handful of today's top battlers could beat RT cuz he was too relient on using multis to set up his punches..that takes up a lot of time in audio when he coulda been doin wordplay, scheming, punching nonstop etc instead, but if we're goin by their body of work while they were active & the competition they faced...Real Talk
Lemme add this tho, I never seen a bad verse from Jason. He was one of the most consistent dudes on here. Ever. I feel like I’m one of the only cats who mentions his name in the GOAT category possibly bc he deleted his account. But from what I remember, dude was a God in audio too. Him and RULE were my go tos to read over their battles bc they always had what rap battling is all about (mainly) and that’s punches
Jason had a line about some shade from the trees or something like that that I forgot exactly what he said but I’ll never forget the punch. And RULE had some bar about hammers and construction that he formulated a wordplay out of that’s the same with Jason, I ain’t forgot but I don’t remember exactly what was said. Yes this was text, but still. Bar-wise it’s hard to look past that/them. And UA ate my garbage in one of the text tourneys I was in around when AC’s first started. I’m humbled to say I gotta chance to battle him. But against me at least (even if he took it easy and was rusty or on his last legs) he wasn’t a Jason or a RULE. And he didn’t even win that tournament I don’t think
Jason would drop open after open and still win 100-0 lol no cap
Sorry I gotta rant, but a lot of y’all base yall goats off tourney performances when that’s not where it’s all at. Yeah I understand it’s usually the best of the best in tournaments. I get that. But u gotta look at their whole line of work. How did they do in the ranked arena? Were they just sniping noobs or posting opens arrogantly knowing no one could touch their verse? Even if they were just sniping noobs, what were they saying? It’s not always about who u battle but how well u performed in the battle. That’s my 2 cents
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Lemme add this tho, I never seen a bad verse from Jason. He was one of the most consistent dudes on here. Ever. I feel like I’m one of the only cats who mentions his name in the GOAT category possibly bc he deleted his account. But from what I remember, dude was a God in audio too. Him and RULE were my go tos to read over their battles bc they always had what rap battling is all about (mainly) and that’s punches
Jason had a line about some shade from the trees or something like that that I forgot exactly what he said but I’ll never forget the punch. And RULE had some bar about hammers and construction that he formulated a wordplay out of that’s the same with Jason, I ain’t forgot but I don’t remember exactly what was said. Yes this was text, but still. Bar-wise it’s hard to look past that/them. And UA ate my garbage in one of the text tourneys I was in around when AC’s first started. I’m humbled to say I gotta chance to battle him. But against me at least (even if he took it easy and was rusty or on his last legs) he wasn’t a Jason or a RULE. And he didn’t even win that tournament I don’t think
Jason would drop open after open and still win 100-0 lol no cap
Sorry I gotta rant, but a lot of y’all base yall goats off tourney performances when that’s not where it’s all at. Yeah I understand it’s usually the best of the best in tournaments. I get that. But u gotta look at their whole line of work. How did they do in the ranked arena? Were they just sniping noobs or posting opens arrogantly knowing no one could touch their verse? Even if they were just sniping noobs, what were they saying? It’s not always about who u battle but how well u performed in the battle. That’s my 2 cents
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