Letsbeef Hall Of Fame

[Kiwi Peewee]

There's recently been a lot of talk around the Hall of Fame on Letsbeef, and it seems to me that a lot of users feel it needs some sort of change or overhaul. To that end I am writing this thread with some ideas I have had. Since the only thing that makes the HOF worth anything is whether the users respect it, I want to get everybody's thoughts before changing anything, and to make sure that there is site-wide consensus and understanding. Please feel free to share whatever ideas or thoughts you have too.

I've tagged in the thread users who I think may be invested in the topic.

1. Updates

A lot of the HOF induction pages are out of date, for instance battlers have come back, won titles, and had major accomplishments since their induction (i.e. All-Boro). This could either be remedied by editing the existing content of their induction pages to include it, or by adding a new section at the end of every HOF page which gave an account of the battler's activity and accomplishments since being inducted.

2. "Impact" Hall of Fame

A few people, most recently @EtH and Dono, have been nominated to the Hall Of Fame despite there not really being a category that fits them. Would it be worth creating another branch of the hall of fame, that functioned essentially as a "miscellaneous HOF", for users whose legacy didn't fit into just specifically text battling, audio battling or track making? Other plausible candidates could include @NOBLE and @Godbody. I'm particularly interested to know people's thoughts on this, and whether anyone can come up with a more fitting name.

3. Nominations

There seems to be a great deal of confusion over the nomination process itself. There is actually a relatively straightforward, if not-at-all-transparent, mechanism outlined here, however it requires @RULE to be active to process every nomination which unfortunately can't be the case forever. I think it might be time to come up with a better process to handle nominations. Purely having it down to a poll is not workable because of the extent that cheating and trolling often affect those polls, and because HOF is not a popularity contest. However, I think it's very important that the users have ultimate power over the inductions because it is their respect which makes the HOF valid.

[Kiwi Peewee]

There's recently been a lot of talk around the Hall of Fame on Letsbeef, and it seems to me that a lot of users feel it needs some sort of change or overhaul. To that end I am writing this thread with some ideas I have had. Since the only thing that makes the HOF worth anything is whether the users respect it, I want to get everybody's thoughts before changing anything, and to make sure that there is site-wide consensus and understanding. Please feel free to share whatever ideas or thoughts you have too.

I've tagged in the thread users who I think may be invested in the topic.

1. Updates

A lot of the HOF induction pages are out of date, for instance battlers have come back, won titles, and had major accomplishments since their induction (i.e. All-Boro). This could either be remedied by editing the existing content of their induction pages to include it, or by adding a new section at the end of every HOF page which gave an account of the battler's activity and accomplishments since being inducted.

2. "Impact" Hall of Fame

A few people, most recently @EtH and Dono, have been nominated to the Hall Of Fame despite there not really being a category that fits them. Would it be worth creating another branch of the hall of fame, that functioned essentially as a "miscellaneous HOF", for users whose legacy didn't fit into just specifically text battling, audio battling or track making? Other plausible candidates could include @NOBLE and @Godbody. I'm particularly interested to know people's thoughts on this, and whether anyone can come up with a more fitting name.

3. Nominations

There seems to be a great deal of confusion over the nomination process itself. There is actually a relatively straightforward, if not-at-all-transparent, mechanism outlined here, however it requires @RULE to be active to process every nomination which unfortunately can't be the case forever. I think it might be time to come up with a better process to handle nominations. Purely having it down to a poll is not workable because of the extent that cheating and trolling often affect those polls, and because HOF is not a popularity contest. However, I think it's very important that the users have ultimate power over the inductions because it is their respect which makes the HOF valid.

[Kiwi Peewee]

I understand that @RULE is in charge of the HOF and I really don't want to go stepping on any toes or anything here, but there's been a lot of nominations and discussion and agitation around this and I'd rather it happened with an eye to how we can improve things, rather than being bogged down in the merits of EtH's coaching or Rain's opinions or the general malaise of "the HOF is a joke so who cares anyway".

[Kiwi Peewee]

I understand that @RULE is in charge of the HOF and I really don't want to go stepping on any toes or anything here, but there's been a lot of nominations and discussion and agitation around this and I'd rather it happened with an eye to how we can improve things, rather than being bogged down in the merits of EtH's coaching or Rain's opinions or the general malaise of "the HOF is a joke so who cares anyway".

[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

A few people, most recently @EtH and Dono, have been nominated to the Hall Of Fame despite there not really being a category that fits them. Would it be worth creating another branch of the hall of fame, that functioned essentially as a "miscellaneous HOF", for users whose legacy didn't fit into just specifically text battling, audio battling or track making? Other plausible candidates could include @NOBLE and @Godbody. I'm particularly interested to know people's thoughts on this, and whether anyone can come up with a more fitting name.

All those names need to be HOFed plus i dnt even know how Godbody/NOBLE ain't HOF yet too coz i 'm just a noob and i still know of them cnt say that for other dudes who are as old as em tbh.

[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

A few people, most recently @EtH and Dono, have been nominated to the Hall Of Fame despite there not really being a category that fits them. Would it be worth creating another branch of the hall of fame, that functioned essentially as a "miscellaneous HOF", for users whose legacy didn't fit into just specifically text battling, audio battling or track making? Other plausible candidates could include @NOBLE and @Godbody. I'm particularly interested to know people's thoughts on this, and whether anyone can come up with a more fitting name.

All those names need to be HOFed plus i dnt even know how Godbody/NOBLE ain't HOF yet too coz i 'm just a noob and i still know of them cnt say that for other dudes who are as old as em tbh.

Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads. The bar has been lowered to the point it's ridiculous and many of you are voting in people you have had absolutely no interaction with. The HOF is going to end up like LB Patriarchy, meaningless. Which is sad because that's not at all what was intended by it.

Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads. The bar has been lowered to the point it's ridiculous and many of you are voting in people you have had absolutely no interaction with. The HOF is going to end up like LB Patriarchy, meaningless. Which is sad because that's not at all what was intended by it.

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads. The bar has been lowered to the point it's ridiculous and many of you are voting in people you have had absolutely no interaction with. The HOF is going to end up like LB Patriarchy, meaningless. Which is sad because that's not at all what was intended by it.

for once i completely agree with you

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Tbh I completely lost interest in the HOF after the recent spate of threads. The bar has been lowered to the point it's ridiculous and many of you are voting in people you have had absolutely no interaction with. The HOF is going to end up like LB Patriarchy, meaningless. Which is sad because that's not at all what was intended by it.

for once i completely agree with you

[Godbody]

I agree with the OP.

Nicholas, why do you act like inducting Eth or Mr Goodness takes away from other HOF?

You can literally look under someone's username and see all the titles they've racked up. You'll look under EtHs name and see he has none

So anyone would be able to peep the HOF and see what's what. Who accomplished what. They'd obviously never look at EtH, MG, or even myself in the same light as someone with 3 titles

Also LB probably won't be around in 4-5 years, so why not.

[Godbody]

I agree with the OP.

Nicholas, why do you act like inducting Eth or Mr Goodness takes away from other HOF?

You can literally look under someone's username and see all the titles they've racked up. You'll look under EtHs name and see he has none

So anyone would be able to peep the HOF and see what's what. Who accomplished what. They'd obviously never look at EtH, MG, or even myself in the same light as someone with 3 titles

Also LB probably won't be around in 4-5 years, so why not.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Nicholas, why do you act like inducting Eth or Mr Goodness takes away from other HOF?

Because it lowers the standard of admission, and whenever you do that you're going to make the title less sought after.

This should be obvious to you as someone that's interested in business. It's basic premium positioning. It's why Supreme sells out in minutes and has a higher reselling value and Nike doesn't.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Also LB probably won't be around in 4-5 years, so why not.

What are we trying to achieve here? Everyone's always harping on about "saving the site" - is that what you're trying to do? Or is it time to just fuck around whilst it's still alive? Because if it's the latter then why not just give everyone titles.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Nicholas, why do you act like inducting Eth or Mr Goodness takes away from other HOF?

Because it lowers the standard of admission, and whenever you do that you're going to make the title less sought after.

This should be obvious to you as someone that's interested in business. It's basic premium positioning. It's why Supreme sells out in minutes and has a higher reselling value and Nike doesn't.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Also LB probably won't be around in 4-5 years, so why not.

What are we trying to achieve here? Everyone's always harping on about "saving the site" - is that what you're trying to do? Or is it time to just fuck around whilst it's still alive? Because if it's the latter then why not just give everyone titles.

[Godbody]

Bro where have you been

We've been 'saving the site' since 2010 and X just addressed that he aint really got grandiose plans for this joint because he's running shit out of his own pocket and fixing what he can.

And there's no way you're talking business in regards to a failing/flopping website. That goes completely out of the window by this point. Stop pretending you'll log one day and see 200 heads on like the old days...Those days are gone forever bro


You take HOF entirely too seriously tbh

[Godbody]

Bro where have you been

We've been 'saving the site' since 2010 and X just addressed that he aint really got grandiose plans for this joint because he's running shit out of his own pocket and fixing what he can.

And there's no way you're talking business in regards to a failing/flopping website. That goes completely out of the window by this point. Stop pretending you'll log one day and see 200 heads on like the old days...Those days are gone forever bro


You take HOF entirely too seriously tbh

[Aggo]

Posted this as a response in manny nomination thread but I'm reposting it here because its relevant to the conversation and expresses my feelings pretty well.

You say that hall of fame is "a coveted, very serious thing everywhere else on earth" but you cant compare this to major league baseball's HoF or NFLs HoF. This is more comparable to the LARPing hall of fame. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. All this "if so and so gets into the HoF how can we expect new people to take the site seriously" is ridiculous. There are no new people. And if there were, they could give a shit about the HoF. You guys that a that are treating this like it's a real serious affront to your sensibilities need to find a second source of fulfillment. We are battle rapping (lots of yall strictly as "textcees") online. It's almost as nerdy as LARPing. Or playing WoW all day. Look at Shodan for instance (no offence) but a fucking Brony came in here named Rainbowdash with a pony avatar and he is I the same class or better than most of you complaining about the HoF. Get over your fuckin selves. You're all a bunch of nerds. Myself included.

[Aggo]

Posted this as a response in manny nomination thread but I'm reposting it here because its relevant to the conversation and expresses my feelings pretty well.

You say that hall of fame is "a coveted, very serious thing everywhere else on earth" but you cant compare this to major league baseball's HoF or NFLs HoF. This is more comparable to the LARPing hall of fame. Stop taking yourselves so seriously. All this "if so and so gets into the HoF how can we expect new people to take the site seriously" is ridiculous. There are no new people. And if there were, they could give a shit about the HoF. You guys that a that are treating this like it's a real serious affront to your sensibilities need to find a second source of fulfillment. We are battle rapping (lots of yall strictly as "textcees") online. It's almost as nerdy as LARPing. Or playing WoW all day. Look at Shodan for instance (no offence) but a fucking Brony came in here named Rainbowdash with a pony avatar and he is I the same class or better than most of you complaining about the HoF. Get over your fuckin selves. You're all a bunch of nerds. Myself included.

I definitely think there should be some sort of recognition for "Notable Members" that have had a site wide impact over the course of many years. There would need to be some sort of minimum year active requirement though imo, so guys like EtH, Noble, Pulse etc, that have been around to see multiple eras of the site, all while maintaining relevancy and presence in the forums and on the site through its entirety.

With that said we would need to comb through the forums and figure out who would be worthy of a Notable Member/Forum HoF type of award if it were to be iterated.

I definitely think there should be some sort of recognition for "Notable Members" that have had a site wide impact over the course of many years. There would need to be some sort of minimum year active requirement though imo, so guys like EtH, Noble, Pulse etc, that have been around to see multiple eras of the site, all while maintaining relevancy and presence in the forums and on the site through its entirety.

With that said we would need to comb through the forums and figure out who would be worthy of a Notable Member/Forum HoF type of award if it were to be iterated.